From: Alan Horkan (horkana@tcd.ie)
Date: Fri Oct 11 2002 - 06:41:26 EDT
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On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, [iso-8859-1] Andrew Dunbar wrote:
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 03:49:11 +0100 (BST)
> From: "[iso-8859-1] Andrew Dunbar" <hippietrail@yahoo.com>
> To: Alan Horkan <horkana@tcd.ie>
> Subject: Re: the GNOME HIG and AbiWord
>
> --- Alan Horkan <horkana@tcd.ie> wrote:
> >
> > Any particular things in mind?
> >
> > I think maybe someone (dom?) has already switched
> > [Cancel][ OK ] button order in the Gnome builds to
> > match the HIG.
> >
> > I think that Abiword should continue to follow
> > MSWord first and the HIG second.
> > Considering the very wise provision in Abiword for
> > differnt keybindings schemes it might be wise to
> > start a Gnome keybinding scheme.
> >
> > For example the HIG recommends that Undo be Ctrl+Z
> > and the Redo be Ctrl+Shift+Z.
> > I agree that for a newbie, a neophyte, a clean
> > slate, a beginner that that it is more consistant to
> > use the shifted and unshifted versions of the same
> > letter for related tasks.
> > But i also think that a seperate keybinding scheme
> > should be started and kept as much as possible the
> > same as MSWord (ill be trying to keep it like
> > MSWord97 so i hope Microsoft resisted changing
> > anything).
>
> I *so* agree with this. The more we struggle to be
> consistent with "sister apps", "sister environments",
> and stay consistent cross-platform, the worse it's
> going to get for users.
> I think being able to choose a flavour closer to
> MS Word or closer to whatever environment AbiWord is
> running on is going to be needed sooner or later or
> we'll just be confusing all users half the time or
> half the users all the time.
> Maybe a hidden option, settable at install time might
> be a good way to go.
>
> > Most of the time the HIG does not go into any huge
> > depth of detail and we wont have to worry and we can
> > continue like we have been doing and (like
> > developers should do more often) follow the leader
> > unless there is a good enough reason to do
> > differently (and that out weighs or compensates for
> > the confusion of people familiar with the old
> > system).
>
> Problem for us is that are more than one leader
> depending on your perspective.
>
> > Mostly abiword is very good about avoiding too many
> > submenus and having lots of keybindings for things
> > (or it least it used to be, there are so many newer
> > feature that could do with keybindings, i really
> > could do with a shortcut for Insert Hyperlink).
>
> These *have to* become configurable at some point too.
> Keys, menus, and toolbars should call abstract
> "functions" that can be bound to any of these or
> called
> from macros. But that's a whole lotta work. I'm sure
> there are RFEs for at least a couple of pieces of
> this.
>
> Andrew.
>
> > I need to read more about usuability. The
> > guidelines are useful for people who just want to
> > get things done, but i dont learn like that. If i
> > knew the reasoning behind more of the answers i
> > would be better able to figure out any gaps not
> > covered by the HIG.
> >
> > I'm tired and this headache is killing me, stupid
> > cold, mucus, ick.
> >
> > I am happy enough to bring up HIG issues if and when
> > i notice them. If
> > you would prefer i keep my comments in bugzilla
> > rather than on the mailing
> > list i can do that.
> >
> > Sincerely
> > Alan Horkan
> >
> > On 10 Oct 2002, Hubert Figuiere wrote:
> >
> > > Date: 10 Oct 2002 11:50:17 +0200
> > > From: Hubert Figuiere <hfiguiere@teaser.fr>
> > > To: sam th <sam@uchicago.edu>
> > > Cc: abidev <abiword-dev@abisource.com>
> > > Subject: Re: the GNOME HIG and AbiWord
> > >
> > > On jeu, 2002-10-10 at 06:58, sam th wrote:
> > > > Many of you (at least the ones who use
> > GTK/GNOME) have heard of the
> > > > GNOME Human Interface Guidelines[1]. They
> > specify guidelines for the
> > >
> > > Out of footnote range (coredumped).
> >
>
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