Re: POW user suggestion

Subject: Re: POW user suggestion
From: Randy Kramer (
Date: Sun Aug 19 2001 - 10:25:18 CDT

Some more data points for Håkan

Randy Kramer wrote:
> Also, to respond to Håkan:
> Notepad (from Win95): SDI, no Close option, only Exit
> Wordpad (from Win95): SDI, no Close option, only Exit
> Word97: MDI, much as David described in another post, for Word 2000:
> Close and Exit both exist. With one document open, if you click Close,
> Word remains open with no document (window has all the Word controls,
> but a gray background). At this point, the Close menu item is grayed
> out.
In Linux:

kedit (KDE 2.1.1): SDI, no Close option, only Quit (vs. Exit)
kwrite (DKE 2.1.1): SDI, no Close option, only Quit (vs. Exit)
nedit (5.1.1): SDI? (I guess):

Close and Exit both exist. With one document open, if you click Close,
Nedit remains open with no document (window has all the Nedit controls,
and a white background, but document name is now untitled, and, the
Close menu item is grayed

Aside: In contrast to AbiWord, you cannot open a second window on the
same document from a single instance of Nedit -- if you try to open the
same document, the original window with that document is brought to the
foreground and gets the focus. There is an option to split a window,
which gives you two synchronized views on the same document. You can
open the same document in two "independent" instances of nedit, in which
case the views are not synchronized.

Aside: I recently adopted nedit as my favorite editor in Linux (it has
syntax highlighting, soft wrap, and macros, but no code folding
(AFAICT)), however, I haven't used it enough to become real familiar
with it. Before I adopted nedit, I tried vim and emacs, used kedit,
then kwrite, then tried a bunch and settled on nedit, at least for the
time being. I use jstar on the consoles .

StarOffice (5.2): ??

Close and Exit both exist, as does a Windows item on the menu. You can
open additional windows on the same document from one instance of
StarOffice. When you do, the additional windows are read only. Changes
in the read / write window are not automatically synchronized in the
other windows. I don't know whether to call it an SDI or an MDI, you
can have multiple windows open within one "master instance", but they
all look similar, there is nothing that obviously makes them look like
"subwindows", but (partially because StarOffice creates it's own
desktop) there are no additional icons on the KDE taskbar. But,
StarOffice's desktop has it's own taskbar, and additional icons appear

When you close the last open document, the "word processor" window
disappears and you are left on the StarOffice desktop.

Aside: Some quick and dirty time trials indicate that StarOffice is not
a speed demon. It took 32 seconds for the StarOffice desktop to appear
(maybe I should compare this to the time for KDE to initially load
rather than to the time any other word processor takes to load, and
maybe the timings were adversely affected by an excessive swapping
because of other open applications -- after loading StarOffice my
machine was using 45 MB of swap and had 2 MB of free memory -- prior to
that it was using 6 MB of swap, and had about 4 MB of free memory).
Then it took 15 seconds to open the first instance of the word
processor. Subsequent instances (or windows) of the word processor came
up in about 2.5 seconds, even after the last instance of the word
processor was closed. (Note: The second time I loaded StarOffice from
scratch, it took 21 seconds (vs. 32), and the word processor came up in
9 seconds (vs. 15).)

Aside: I don't use Star Office. I installed it because our LUG made a
presentation on it, and I did some testing in terms of confirming the
install instructions. I didn't spend much time testing it today, there
may be features that I've overlooked.

Randy Kramer

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