Re[2]: saving as text

From: Alan G Isaac (
Date: Tue Oct 14 2003 - 23:49:05 EDT

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    On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Dom Lachowicz <> wrote:
    > If you want to be 100% sure, Save As->Encoded Text->US
    > ASCII

    Aha. I did not know this wd produce a follow-up menu.
    The interface now makes sense to me.
    *But* the problem I mentioned persists.
    Non-ASCII characters are replaced by '?'.

    > ISCII is for Indian language support. I wouldn't
    > suggest using it unless you were writing in an Indic
    > script. It also isn't enabled in AbiWord 2.0 builds.
    > I am, however, outraged and disguisted that you
    > thought that it was an anti-American statement. Stop
    > the drivel.

    I'm sorry I failed to amuse you, but don't lose sight of my
    point. The point was that many people will not know what
    this means. To fix that most easily, it seems it shd be
    another SaveAs/EncodedText option, no?

    Also I made another point: ISCII export substitutes '?'
    for characters outside the character set, regardless of the
    existence of standard conventions for imitating them.
    Now I don't know enough about ISCII usage to be sure the
    conventions are standard for that user group, but the case
    seems solid enough for ASCII.

    > &ldquo; etc... are SGML entities. They are *not* meant
    > for plaintext. Using such a thing in plaintext would
    > be in violation of just about every "standard
    > convention" imaginable.

    You missed my point. Consider the xhtml document below. It
    contains a couple entities for which there are pretty
    standard substitutes. (Normal quote for &ldquo; the
    consecutive hyphens for &mdash;)

    Now import it into AbiWord. Oh wait, AbiWord doesn't like
    entities yet. OK, import it into Word, export it to .doc,
    and then import it into AbiWord. Everything looks fine.
    Now export it as ASCII text. Observe the replacements with
    '?' in the resulting file.

    My request for "reasonably clever" ASCII export was
    addressed to this problem: how one handles characters
    outside the character set. Contrast with, e.g., how
    Word handles the same export: I don't Word's choice of
    a single hyphen for the &mdash;, but it is at least
    a reasonable choice.

    Hope that is clearer.
    I love AbiWord and just want to love it more.

    Alan Isaac

    PS The xhtml document referenced above follows:

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
    <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
    <html xmlns="" xml:lang="en-US">
    <title>is it wise?</title>
    &ldquo;Test this.&rdquo;&mdash;and see what happens.

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